dmj618 ([info]dmj618) wrote,
@ 2009-03-24 01:41:00
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Bringing the power of the state to bear on a trans woman of color
Bilerico Project is making me want to rip my hair out with the transphobia here: READ THIS: This is NOT acceptable on Bilerico Project.

Many privileged people will not see a problem with this post, but I do. And I'm not trans, I know this because I am a woman of color. I know that the state will believe a white person over me, and that the threatening to call the police on me by a white person could very well result in beating, rape, and even death. I do not expect the police or justice system to treat me fairly.

Let's put it this way, if two cis, heterosexual, white, able bodied, middle class, typical men get into an argument and one says he's going to call the cops because the other said some mean and nasty things, the other would laugh it off. The police are there to protect these normative people, not harass them or arrest them for no reason. The justice system works the way it should and the way it is expected for these people. The most likely scenario,  is that the police will break it up and tell the parties to go home. But the further you get into the margins the more likely the state and it's systems are there to keep a watchful eye on you and take you out if you cause trouble.

Another scenario, a teen boy is naked, afraid, and bleeding on the street. He is incoherent but it's obvious that something bad has happened to him. He is found by two people who call 911 for medical assistance and the police. The boy's attacker shows up at the scene just as the police are arriving and tries to explain the situation as a simple lovers spat. You would think that the attacker would not get away with this, that at the very least the situation is so bizarre that it bears some investigation, you would be wrong. You would be wrong because the attacker and the police are white, the victim is Asian, and the Samaritans who tried to help are black women. If you don't know what I am talking about, then you don't know that blonde haired, blue eyed, Jeffrey Dahmer could have been caught before he killed several more victims, because one of his victims got away and was promptly handed back to him by the Milwaukee Police Department to be butchered.

Every person of color knows these kinds of stories and have stories of their own to tell. We know the police will not protect us when we need them, and we know they have no problem railroading us if a white person calls. The threat of state violence is a very real one, is a very common one, is not some abstract issue, or so unlikely as to be laughable.

I've put this in terms of race because this is what I know, but ask any trans person if the police and justice systems are on their side and you will also get a resounding, "NO!" Trans people are an extremely small part of the population, but every week there is another trans person beaten, raped, killed, jailed for the weakest of reasons, denied the help they need, all by the state. I repeat, the threat of state violence is a very real one, is a very common one, is not some abstract issue, or so unlikely as to be laughable.

So how do you think a trans woman of color, yes a woman who is both of color and trans, will take a statement that police will be called and that Bilerico will cooperate in identifying and prosecuting this trans woman of color?

What is so unlikely as to be laughable? Someone carrying through with hyperbolic statements on the internet. Half the people on the internet would be in jail or prison right now if saying things like DIAF (die in a fire) is a credible threat. It isn't. Saying things in anger is common, carrying them out is uncommon. Only a very privileged person could think there is an equivalence, it's not there.

Shorter Bilerico: To trans women of color: say something in anger and we'll make sure you pay dearly.





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[info]emmybunny
2009-03-24 07:13 am UTC (link)
You know, as a white trans woman, I am still quite aware that police, justice systems, even security guards are not there to protect me.

In fact, I've had enough bad experiences of harassment BY them, that I have no expectation of being treated even civilly. And if I was arrested, I have no doubt it would be worse. Assault and rape in custody by guards is such a common experience for trans women. And I'm white, you know? For Aboriginal trans women (sistergirls) here the situation is much, much worse.

To play on all that anxiety--that knowledge--that Lyssa has as a trans woman of colour is just disgusting. It was a not-so-veiled threat to invoke the institutionalised violence of the State and he should be ashamed of himself.

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[info]dmj618
2009-03-24 07:23 am UTC (link)
That's exactly it. I'm not trans but I know that the situation is bad enough for me, it's a multitude worse for a woman with additional intersections of oppression.

I even tried to appeal to Bil this way(in twitter), he must know that as a gay man he is more vulnerable to police violence than a het man. That every step away from "the norm" leaves a person more and more vulnerable, less and less protected.

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Cops kill and rape us with impunity.
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-24 01:37 pm UTC (link)
And mama, imma at the ass end of the Universe from "normal." He knows this, and is exploiting it too.

Website hits > twoc lives.

Tho I have to say, my encounters with cops have been eerily positive. I mean, as in, "Officer Friendly," positive. Truly bizarre, and it makes it hard to talk about.

It freaks ppl out when I tell them. And, I still fear cops.

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Re: Cops kill and rape us with impunity.
[info]drakyn
2009-03-25 02:04 am UTC (link)
My only real experience with cops was all right; mostly because me and my friends are white, actually were or appeared to be in college, AND, the main reason we didn't get arrested, because one of my friend's dad was a former cop and he had his shield card with him.
Dunno what their official purpose is, but shield cards are given to family of current/former cops & work as "get out of jail free" cards.
Despite my experience turning out fine, it doesn't lend towards trusting the cops.

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[info]lisaquestions
2009-03-24 01:24 pm UTC (link)
I tried to make these points in response to Bil, but as far as I know, he didn't respond. I haven't been able to get back to Bilerico since.

This is horrific.

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Lisa, he don't care about us...
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-24 01:44 pm UTC (link)
yanno, if the cops fucked me up because he decided to be a pissy white gayboy, and I wound up in the papers, he would probably put my obit up on the site without hesitation, and declare himself such a righteous trans ally for highlighting our murders.

popo aint ur friend. Welcome to my world.

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Re: Lisa, he don't care about us...
[info]lisaquestions
2009-03-24 01:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I'm sure of it.

But this isn't the first time I've had issues with Bil's approach to trans people.

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Re: Lisa, he don't care about us...
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-24 02:17 pm UTC (link)
Girl, I been tappin his azz for years...

He needs an intervention.

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Re: Lisa, he don't care about us...
[info]heinousbitca
2009-03-24 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Watch out, Bil might think an "intervention" is some kind of code word for "violence."

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You are rt
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-24 07:19 pm UTC (link)
and this Anglo dude has some thin skin. He thinks 'tinkle' is, too, I bet.

He does like to fuck up on trans for the attention, tho.

I bet the HRC dude who was so skeered is laffin now...and Bil is using his "fear" by proxy to fuel this mess.

I am not good at the tiptoeing around the feelings of "sensitive" privileged types. Guess that's what the popo is for.

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[info]candidevoltaire
2009-03-24 08:11 pm UTC (link)
I just checked, Lisa, and he never did respond to you. In fact, none of his comments responded to those points. And, yet he wants to think of himself as an ally.

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[info]lisaquestions
2009-03-24 11:06 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, totally not surprised.

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[info]drakyn
2009-03-25 01:38 am UTC (link)
Why am I not surprised?

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Bil Browning gems
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-25 02:25 am UTC (link)
I thought I”d leave this comment over here so we don’t distract from the conversation on Bilerico.
Because we are a 'distraction' and they talk about serious LGB only stuff at Bilerico.

I was willing to sell out trans people just because I didn’t really know any trans people.
Great logic, huh?

I miss his honesty.

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popo not ur friend.
[info]voz_latina
2009-03-24 01:54 pm UTC (link)
YES! Thank u for writing this!

Tho I gotta say, I think what set him off was the word 'tinkle.'

And we all know how fearsome the twoc tinkle is, rt?

BTW, ur scenario happened to me in San Antonio when I was beaten by a lover years ago, who left me bleeding in the middle of S Presa St on the city's South Side. The neighbors called the cops, and when they came, they finished what he started, while yellin "are u a trans-vest-ite?"

Bil does not get it. Then again, he has no need to get it.

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[info]gg_the_undead
2009-03-24 03:38 pm UTC (link)
yes, donna, YES. this is the fear that i feel. my white skin will protect me only until the cop sees the female name and male gender marker on my license, or until he gets mad cos he can't figure out whether i'm a fag or a dyke, or he sees that this woman has a bulge in her pants.

to paraphrase, I'm not of color, I know this because I am a trans woman. and so when a person of color tells me that they or theirs have experienced police abuse, i listen.

and i'll say it here instead of there...there's somebody's head i'd like on a pike about now. he is invested solely in his white cis heternormative upper-class privilege and grabbing a piece of kyriarchy pie for himself and his own. "lookee me! hey! white het cis men, i'm *just like you* [except for one minor detail, pls overlook] and i'll prove it by how many people i can crush under my boot! Lemme in your club!"

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[info]ibnfirnas
2009-03-24 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[info]cheshire_bitten
2009-03-25 12:37 am UTC (link)
Yes, I am a lot better off than many but I still fear the police, they will not save me.

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[info]daisydeadhead
2009-03-25 06:05 am UTC (link)
Wow DMJ I got in an argument only two days ago over the Dahmer story, there are people who don't know that, don't believe you if you tell them.
At the time it happened, I remember hearing one of the 911 calls from one of the black women in the neighborhood saying "But that boy doesn't speak English, he goes to school with my daughter," and the cops chuckling back, "I think you have him confused with someone else." It would make your skin fucking crawl.

This has become one of those forgotten pieces of history; we must make sure people know about it. I am so glad you mentioned it here, sometimes I think I am going nuts when people don't remember these things.

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[info]trinityva
2009-03-25 06:12 am UTC (link)
Wow DMJ I got in an argument only two days ago over the Dahmer story, there are people who don't know that, don't believe you if you tell them.

jesus fuck. people DON'T KNOW THAT?!

:(

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